Subtlety Rogue PvE Guide - Cataclysm Classic

These guides are based on simulation data, tools, and theorycrafting from original Cataclysm. We'll be sure to update them when modern sims are finished. Rotations are likely to get optimized via sims, but it should already give you a very strong starting point.

Introduction

    Subtlety Rogues bring 5% Critical Strike Chance with
    Honor Among Thieves
    and increased Bleed Damage with
    Hemorrhage
    to raid.

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Rotation

    Subtlety Rogues have a rather complicated rotation that involes maintaining many important buffs and debuffs, as well as a handful of cooldowns that require proper usage to maximize your DPS. Just like the other Rogue specializations, Subtlety Rogues need to manage their Energy and Combo Points effectively to prevent wasting any resources. One of the things that makes this tricky is the talent
    Honor Among Thieves
    , which will roughly give you 1 Combo Point every 2 seconds. This is something you really need to keep an eye out for because even during times when you are pooling Energy, you will still be generating Combo Points passively. During fights, you will often be sitting at 3 or 4 Combo Points and letting
    Honor Among Thieves
    fill in the remaining 2 while you pool Energy. Another huge thing Subtlety Rogues needs to manage is
    Find Weakness
    , which only gets applied when you use
    Ambush
    . Spacing out your
    Shadow Dance
    and
    Vanish
    casts to maximize the uptime of this debuff will be critical.

Opener

  1. Use
    Tricks of the Trade
    pre-pull.
  2. Pre-cast
    Slice and Dice
    at 5 Combo Points. You can generate Combo Points from healer crits thanks to
    Honor Among Thieves
    .
  3. Pre-pot
    Potion of the Tol'vir
    .
  4. Go into
    Stealth
    .
  5. Use
    Premeditation
    .
  6. Use
    Shadowstep
    and
    Ambush
    .
  7. Use
    Rupture
    at 5 Combo Points.
  8. Use
    Hemorrhage
    .
  9. Use
    Backstab
    until 3 or 4 Combo Points, then pool Energy and let
    Honor Among Thieves
    fill up your Combo Points.
  10. If you didn't pre-cast
    Slice and Dice
    , use it at 5 Combo Points, otherwise use
    Recuperate
    at 5 Combo Points.
  11. Proceed to single target rotation.

Single Target

  1. Use
    Instant Poison
    on Main-hand,
    Deadly Poison
    on Off-hand, and
    Wound Poison
    on Thrown weapon.
  2. Maintain
    Rupture
    at 5 Combo Points and make sure to apply it when you have the
    Master of Subtlety
    buff. A 5 Combo Point
    Eviscerate
    will refresh it thanks to
    Serrated Blades
    .
  3. Maintain
    Slice and Dice
    .
  4. Maintain
    Recuperate
    because of
    Energetic Recovery
    .
  5. Use
    Preparation
    .
  6. Use
    Tricks of the Trade
    .
  7. Use
    Shadow Dance
    at high levels of Energy.
  8. Use
    Shadowstep
    before you use
    Ambush
    . During
    Shadow Dance
    , use it after your first
    Ambush
    so your next one benefits from the
    Shadowstep
    buff and
    Find Weakness
    buff.
  9. Use
    Premeditation
    . Always aim to have this available when you
    Vanish
    or
    Shadow Dance
    .
  10. Apply
    Find Weakness
    with
    Ambush
    during
    Vanish
    and
    Shadow Dance
    .
  11. Maintain
    Hemorrhage
    bleed from
    Glyph of HemorrhageGlyph of Hemorrhage
    .
  12. Use
    Eviscerate
    at 5 Combo Points.
  13. Use
    Backstab
    to generate Combo Points.
  14. Use
    Hemorrhage
    to generate Combo Points if you can't
    Backstab
    the target.

AoE

  1. For very large pulls use at
    Fan of Knives
    , otherwise proceed with single target rotation.

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Talents

Standard Build

0
Assassination
0
Combat
0
Subtlety

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Glyphs

  1. Prime:
    BackstabBackstab
    ,
    HemorrhageHemorrhage
    ,
    Slice and DiceSlice and Dice
  2. Optional: If you can't
    BackstabBackstab
    , replace
    BackstabBackstab
    with
    EviscerateEviscerate
  3. Major:
    Tricks of the TradeTricks of the Trade
    ,
    SprintSprint
    ,
    FeintFeint
  4. Minor:
    Safe FallSafe Fall
    ,
    Blurred SpeedBlurred Speed
    ,
    PoisonsPoisons

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Best Consumables

Flasks and Elixirs

    Best:
  • Flask of the Winds

Food

    Best:
  • Seafood Magnifique Feast
    ,
  • Skewered Eel
    ,
  • Fortune Cookie
    Alternatives:
  • Broiled Dragon Feast
    ,
  • Tender Baked Turtle

Potions

    Best:
  • Potion of the Tol'vir

Weapon Buffs

    Best:
  • Instant Poison
    on Main-hand
  • Deadly Poison
    on Off-hand

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Best Races

Alliance

  1. Night Elf:
    Shadowmeld
  2. Worgen:
    Viciousness
    and
    Darkflight
  3. Gnome:
    Shortblade Specialization

Horde

  1. Troll:
    Berserking
  2. Goblin:
    Time is Money
    ,
    Rocket Barrage
    , and
    Rocket Jump
  3. Orc:
    Blood Fury
  4. Blood Elf:
    Arcane Torrent

Cataclysm Classic Subtlety Rogue Best Professions

  1. Engineering:
    Synapse Springs
    .
  2. The rest of the professions are very close in power, with Blacksmithing becoming better with epic gems in T13.